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Subject: Racism in pornography: the "IR" genre, Spring Thomas, and cuckold themes.

Written By: Poisoned Eros on 01/15/08 at 1:32 am

I was porn surfing a few years ago when I stumbled across the ugliest porn personality second only to Max Hardcore.  There was this Blonde pixie of perhaps 20 but made up to look 16, she was calling the desk from her hotel room: "Hello, this is Spring Thomas, I need a black nigger up here right now!" Her schtick consists entirely of her fucking black men and calling them niggers (eg. "You wanna cum in my ass, yeah, you crazy nigger."  She has a huge site with slogans such as, "Spring Thomas: Making more black men happier than welfare!"  She talks trash about "white boys ain't shit in bed, I have a white boyfriend 'cuz niggers don't have no money, but otherwise it's black dick all the way..."  And it gets worse from there.

I don't know who this Spring Thomas person really is or what possesses her to be so goddamned racist.  I can only guess at the motivations.  Certainly, the chief one is money.  She's probably a multimillionaire by now.  She wouldn't do it if it didn't sell.  Like the sadism of Max Hardcore, this isn't art, this isn't commentary, this is hate speech with no redeeming social value. Garbage.

In the porn racket "Interracial" is a euphemism for black men fucking white women.  Black men from the get-go in porn have been marketed for the most vile stereotype: Big dicks, especially bigger dicks than white guys.  Spring Thomas is the first to throw the N-word around as part of the routine. 

What's the appeal?  My theory is that "Interracial" porn is consumed by angry white men who are both misogynistic and racist.  They are angry at pretty blondes who won't go out with them, so it gives them a charge to see white girls degraded by sex with black men who these white bigots both fear and despise; it is perhaps an atavistic artifact from the Jim Crow days.

I'm sorry if my indelicate phraseology gets on anyone's nerves.  It's just the impression I get from the "Interracial" category, especially with the overt racism now taking hold with Spring Thomas and her ilk. 

The cheap Jedi mindgame: If you object to "Interracial," you're the bigot because you have the problem with black men having sex with white women. 

Excuuuuuse me, this isn't Loving v. Virginia we're talking about here!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia
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This is not about love or liberation. This isn't about ethnic diversity.  This is porn. Anger is the strongest emotion in hardcore pornography.  This is a business in which black guys with giant cocks are called "Mandingos." Be quite sure, the producers of this pornography are the racists, and they are playing into racist attitudes still too prevalent in American society.

A cuckold is a married man whose wife has sex with other men.  I recently learned in pornography it specifically means a married white man whose white wife fucks black men while the husband watches. 

I won't speculate here on the self-esteem issues of black men who participate in this crap, but I imagine they're about the same as those of the women who shoot with Max Hardcore.

Who am I to judge?  Who am I not to?  The producers have released pornographic material for public consumption with an explicitly-stated theme of "race."  The manner in which the theme is presented is unequivocally racist.  It is a free market, so I will not consume the product.  Unfortunately, millions of men do and the effect is inevitably corrosive and toxic.

Subject: Re: Racism in pornography: the "IR" genre, Spring Thomas, and cuckold themes.

Written By: Step-chan on 01/15/08 at 4:45 pm

I, also, have never of heard of Spring Thomas(that's mostly because I tend to like the girl on girl stuff, also the same reason I never heard of Max Hardcore until recently).

That stuff is definetly extremely negative, but I think they were going for controversy(which is strange, since porn is usually considered controvesial to one degree or another) with this stuff.

Subject: Re: Racism in pornography: the "IR" genre, Spring Thomas, and cuckold themes.

Written By: Poisoned Eros on 01/16/08 at 12:43 am

Lisa Lamponelli is exactly the kind of douchebag I'm talking about.  This whole attitude goes back to the 1970s with the "humor" in the National Lampoon and Hustler: "Oh, we're not racist, we're making fun of racism!"

Fuck you!  You're racists and you know it. 

What Lisa Lamponelli does is perpetuate racist stereotypes.  This is not Lenny Bruce anymore. 

What's more, it's the whole attitude that pervades racist stand-up comedy, racist movies (such as "The Ladies Man") and racist pornography that plays right into the far-right agenda:

The white guy makes lots of money and pays the bills.  The black guy has a big dick and your woman wants to fuck him.

That is no more no less the attitude that got the Klansmen out on the streets with their burning crosses and lynching ropes.

The Onion spoof made a few salient points that go right back to what I was saying in the first place: Hardcore porn is anything but erotic.

This racist/misogynistic shit degrades us all. 

Whether it's the black performer saying it to the white performer or vice versa, the result is the same.  BTW, you'll never see a black woman with a white guy screaming fuck me with that little cracker dick...
Well, never say never.
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What I mean is that's not what sells. 

I'm no conservative.  I'm not for censoring this stuff.  If Americans are undignified enough to support this rot, then they get what they deserve.  The hardcore porn consumer cuts across all demographics.  There's a reason why right-wing Republicans calling for decency through law are soooo familiar with this subject.  Just like me, they surf for porn.  The conservatives will rail against porn from time to time, but they'll never shut down the industry.  It's too profitable.  The almight dollar trumps everything. 

Anyway, how would you like to see your daughter, your son, your sister performing in hardcore porn?  How would you like it if you found out your wife did porn before you were married?  If you say you'd like, you're F.O.S.  That is the litmus test of society's respect for the industry. 

One of the tenets of the old Motion Picture Production Code, which was abandoned in the 1960s, was "No film shall lower the morals of the person who views it."  I'm not in favor of having the movie studios or the government deciding for me what shall lower my morals, but I think there are millions of impressionable teens and adults alike who watch hardcore pornography and respect human sexuality--in general, their own, and that of their sex partners--a little less all the time. 

I hate to say it because it echoes some of what the odious Meese Commission, the Christian Right, and the militant feminists say...but I'm not gonna pretend I don't see what I see.  I gotta call it like I see it.  Sorry.
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Subject: Re: Racism in pornography: the "IR" genre, Spring Thomas, and cuckold themes.

Written By: Poisoned Eros on 01/16/08 at 2:12 am


No need to apolgize, PE. We all have differing viewpoints on issues, which is great.

I agree!

As for 'seeing my daughter, son, sister' in porn: no, I wouldn't watch it. There are some things I don't want to see, and watching a family member do whatever sexually is akin to incest. No thanks.
Well, you wouldn't want to watch your daughter and husband having sex, but it wouldn't bother you to know that they are.  In fact, if they weren't, you'd have call for concern.  What I meant is you wouldn't want to even know your daughter is fucking 400 guys a year as an internet video 'ho, and I should hope you would not hold a double standard for your son.  That's the difference.

As for my wife, no, she didn't do porn. She did have an abortion early on, and it's something that I haven't thought about in years, nor do I look down on her for it.
That's a different issue altogether, IMO, unless she got the abortion while working in the porn biz!  I once dated a woman who had an abortion in college when she was 19.  I didn't have a problem with that. 

I think I could say the same about porn, to some extent. A lot of guys get mad when other guys take interest (of any degree) in their wives/girlfriends. I've always wondered why this is. To me, if no guy hits on your girl or makes passes, chances are she is uninteresting, fugly as hell or a supreme bitch. Not that I want my wife to take up those offers, but I hope you see where I'm going with that train of thought...
Or you're such a crazy scary sonofabitch they wouldn't dare!
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I did have a problem with this in the past because I was insecure with low self esteem.  I broke up with one girl in college because I thought she was going to cheat.  I didn't trust her.  That was a relationship that should never have been in the first place, however.  I'm a committed single for the time being, but I still don't think I'd like my girlfriend flirting with other guys.  Just the same, I would not flirt with other women.  Leads to trouble.

"One of the tenets of the old Motion Picture Production Code, which was abandoned in the 1960s, was 'No film shall lower the morals of the person who views it.'"

For some, seeing anyone do anything sexually would "lower their morals". Look at the uproar over Janet Jackson slipping a nipple at the Super Bowl half time show. She might as well have done a marathon gang-bang on PBS for all the shit she caught over that. America is generally is overly uptight about sex.

The code applied to studo motion pictures.  Pornography was quite illegal to produce until the late '60s and there were ordinances against it in many places straight up into the '80s. 
The Janet Jackson thing was fucking ridiculous and I guarantee you the biggest loud mouths bitching about how "I don't want MY children seeing that smut; the Superbowl is a family event" had secret harddrives chock full o'porn!  The right-wing in this country is proudly Victorian about sex in their public lives but in their private lives they Pee-Wee-Herman it up, like Haggard and Craig!

"This racist/misogynistic shit degrades us all."

I agree, but I'm curious: if Spring Thomas simply said "Oooh, put that big black cock in me", would there be an issue (i.e., not saying the N word)? Interracial porn has been around almost as long as porn itself. Interracial relationships are still taboo in many areas: perhaps that's why this kind of porn exists and flourishes like it does.

The N word does make quite a difference and of course it's planned.  If you're raking in the cash with your own porn site, you're going to dot all the I's and cross all the T's.  If not, you're going to get in a shitload of trouble.  It's like the people who thought "Bangbus" was real; that guys drove a VW bus around Florida asking women on the street to have sex with them and the women all happened to be perfectly made up with their pussies all shaven...and then the guys threw them out without paying them...no of course not! Everybody signs a contract.  The contact DOES NOT mean the proceedings are nice and nobody gets hurt, it's just legal CYA. 

I explained the rest about "IR" porn in my initial post.  Yes, it was still racist without the N-word. 

PS: Lenny Bruce was before my time. Was he funny?
Lenny Bruce was a comedian and a social commentator.  When he was performing in the 1950s and 1960s (he died in '66 of a heroin overdose) there REALLY WAS an overly repressive attitude about sex and swear words, which meant, for instance, that in the movies they couldn't show people talking the way people really talked and they couldn't address very real issues concerning sex, violence, and political and racial oppression in society.  The establishment REALLY WAS oppressive in Lenny Bruce's time.

I argue that now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.  Sex, violence, and profanity are so mainstream we've become numb to their effects, thus the power of ideas is dying, which is very dangerous to free thought. 

The old method of oppression ala Soviet Russia or the Catholic church was to make ideas (eg. premarital sex, blasphemy, contrary doctrine, defiance of authority, etc.) dangerous and suppress them with harsh sanctions.

The new method we see in our times is a much more effective method of oppression: Make ideas not matter.  This is the part of Orwell's "1984" people overlook.  It was only the outer party that had to be watched and controlled because they were literate, they were the administrative class.  The vast majority of Orwell's dystopia, perhaps 80%, were proles.  The proles were allowed cheap booze, juke joint music, porn, and prostitution.  They were simply kept so plum-fucking ignorant they couldn't form any political thoughts...and that's what we're seeing with today's idiotainment.

Anyway, was Lenny Bruce funny?  Yes.  However, his jokes are hard to get nowadays because the relied so much on current events and the social mores of the time, which are lost on most folks today.  A lot of it involved the obscenity trials he was embroiled in.  Thus, if you listen to an old Lenny Bruce record, you might have sit there with Wikipedia and pause every few minutes to look something up!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Bruce
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Subject: Re: Racism in pornography: the "IR" genre, Spring Thomas, and cuckold themes.

Written By: Step-chan on 01/16/08 at 3:31 pm



Whether it's the black performer saying it to the white performer or vice versa, the result is the same.  BTW, you'll never see a black woman with a white guy screaming fuck me with that little cracker dick...
Well, never say never.
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Subject: Re: Racism in pornography: the "IR" genre, Spring Thomas, and cuckold themes.

Written By: Sugar Kane on 01/21/08 at 6:13 pm

I would think that's an american thing,it becomes racist because your real world is so racist: blacks and whites rarely mix,so it's sort of tabu to see a black guy fucking a white woman and vice versa.

Overhere most porn is interracial because we all are interracial,in the same movie you'll see them all,is not a porn genre like it is for you guys,it is beautiful (sometimes ::)) people having sex.

As for the black guys=bigger cocks,i would say is more porn stars= bigger cocks  ;D

Subject: Re: Racism in pornography: the "IR" genre, Spring Thomas, and cuckold themes.

Written By: Rob on 03/25/08 at 10:11 am

I think the real problem with racism in pornography doesn't come from the spring thomas' of in the industry but those who flat out refuse to work with talent of another race. People like Jenna Jameson, Sara Stone or Alexis Texas etc.

Subject: Re: Racism in pornography: the "IR" genre, Spring Thomas, and cuckold themes.

Written By: Pete on 10/24/11 at 3:01 am

I don't know about all the rest of this stuff but, I love the cuckold portion of Spring Thomas' site.  I'm a white guy who loves the thought of a black dude with a huge dick fucking my girl in front of me.  I generally have great self esteem and, in everyday life, would consider myself to have a dominant personality.  However, in the fantasy world of sex and pornography, the idea is really hot to me.  That being said, I often do wonder if this type of fantasy is detrimental to my emotional health as I often feel ashamed after getting off to a cuckold fantasy.  I imagine I feel this way because the fantasy is so far removed from my typical personality.  I guess I'm still up in the air about all this.    ???

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